01 – Excuse for delaying the RV was a lie.
Tony and DC have done a commendable job, I congratulate them for their undying help in keeping us as informed as possible over the years and in the end they are just the messengers so I will never blame them for the lies we are being told.
This latest lie was a whopper because they used it to stall the RV process once again. They claimed the Dinarians exchanging their currency would disrupt the US mid-term political election with the money they could fund the political parties with.
Really? If the banks were going to hold their funds for a day or two how is this even possible if the election is tomorrow? It’s physically impossible for people to go through the RV process over the next few days waiting for confirmation their funds are in their accounts ready to use.
And to top it off, the US admin. has been telling Tony and DC that the Dinarians don’t matter to them and that we are not that important in this whole RV process. Again, really? If that were true then why are we being used as the excuse to once again stall the RV?
You can’t have it both ways and say on one hand we really don’t matter in this RV process then in the next breath use us as the reason to stall the RV with concerns we may use money from our exchange to fund political parties in this election that runs tomorrow knowing full well we wouldn’t see any of that money for a couple of days at the very most.
It would appear some politicians don’t know how to lie very well, when they do lie. I suppose when you lie long enough you don’t really care what it sounds like to anyone else anymore.
So what excuse will we see once he election is over with and the RV still has not gone completely through and we don’t see new rates on international screens by Wed?
If the entire world can be held hostage and at bay by a few US political hacks, all we Dinarians can do is wait for the next lie to come slithering out of their lips.
02 – TNT Call notes 3-Nov-2014
Tony: Good morning, TNT! Today is Monday, November 3, 2014. Today is going to be a little bit different. I’ll explain where we’re at and where we should be. DC will tell you the reason why you should vote tomorrow. However, his voice is going away.
The banks got involved this weekend, the ones who said they absolutely would not get involved until the money is there and is live. Banks in the US and across the world said, “No way until we see it on our screens.”
DC: Friday evening we believed the RV happened; we heard it from many different folks. People started exchanging on Friday night and that continues even today. The VIPs and politically-connected types have gone through. Many have gone through, though not as many as last winter.
Tony: Banks got involved this weekend who said they would NOT get involved until this was real.
DC: Yes, lots of banks are frustrated and said they will only do this when they can press a button and get real, live credit. All these banks and countries started exchanging on Friday evening.
Tony: These are banks who already told their exchange centers that this is not happening until January of next year. They brought people in and did a lot of exchanges and continue to do that. These are people who couldn’t or didn’t want to SKR; they only wanted to exchange when they could have full access to their money. Some of them exchanged this weekend.
DC: So the general public was supposed to happen this weekend, starting Friday night. The administration blocked this by not accepting it, not having the right people show up at the meetings, etc. It’s in the IMF/BIS hands, but they are reticent to go around the US. They sent nasty letters, had phone calls and meetings, and many were scathing. Iraq and everyone else is very angry at the administration, but somehow they were still allowed to block it again. Some folks didn’t show up at the right places, and others said, “We are allowing the general public, so what’s the problem?” but this is not the general public. Everyone is confused and annoyed, especially because the US promised NOT to do this! They said they would not turn it into a political thing so close to the election, but they did.
We’ve heard two sets of plans about this. There are two camps as to the delay – continue cashing out more folks, possibly including us, allowing us to go through tomorrow, tonight, or Wednesday, or just to hold everyone off until Thursday. However, the rates are live on the screens. Another group says that because the US ham-fisted this, it will take several weeks to undo and fix this without causing a massive stir. Some folks don’t think we matter enough to influence elections, others are worried about places like Arkansas, North Carolina, etc. So they are saying “don’t’ do anything stupid, or at least let the internet people through”. A lot of the UST guys are saying it’s in the IMF and BIS’s hands, but if the UST doesn’t do what it is supposed to do, the US is still blocking it. The responsibility is clearly in the US.
Tony: The IMF can let this go any time they choose. The US can do its part, the IMF can release it and everything is smooth, OR, the US can block it, IMF can release it anyway, and we have a complicated mess. They don’t want to go that route either. They have accomplished their goal of getting it this close to the election, so that’s their dilemma. We cannot force our government when to say “okay, do the RV”. We can raise all kind of hell, but we cannot force them. If the IMF, the BIS, China or Iraq cannot force them to do it, not to mention the other countries in the GCR, what makes you think we can?
What we can do is let them know that we KNOW what has happened and we are not being treated fairly. We KNOW people who have gotten paid and they are in fact living up to our portion of this. I am not going to put my head in the chopping block for something I cannot force them to do. We can tell them we know what is going on, and the voting will be over by Wednesday. But if a hundred heads of state cannot make them do this, then I don’t know why you think I can. If it comes down to how we are being treated, then all we have to do is wait until tomorrow.
DC: Tomorrow is the midterm elections. It looks like the Republicans will win the Senate, and if so, that will change all the committee chairs and also whether folks are willing to compromise and work together instead of throwing rocks and acting like idiots.
Tony: We are NOT choosing a side, here, just telling you the facts.
DC: That’s right, it’s just what each party wants and how it affects Dinarville. The President is a Democrat and so is the Senate at the moment. Because his relations with the Republicans is so acrimonious, he is worried that his last two years will be a dud. A lot of committee chairs are Democrats, and of course Republicans want to take over and run the Senate in a different way. If it had been handled a different way, the RV could have helped the Democrats in a major way, but they are determined to grind it out.
So they agreed to the RV on Friday, all the banks started their rollout processes, then work on the internet groups (us) and then the general public. So they are trying to decide if they should do us now to shut us up, controlling the crowd by tweeting the 800 numbers to get the initial surge out of the way, and have the rest come out afterwards more slowly still. They have been meeting yesterday and today to start that now to quiet us down. Politics are absolutely involved in that decision and that is hotly debated right now. The rest of the world says this is not fair on the rest of the world, but they keep taking the hits. There were really nasty phone calls and meetings all weekend; the pressure is immense, and an official reprimand was issued.
Tony: What we are looking at is for the elections to happen tomorrow without distractions, without donations from us to either party. If the election goes smoothly tomorrow, then the general public should be seeing it over the weekend. They plan to keep exchanging people since Friday, and fold us in. If there is a runoff in January, they may try to keep this money from us until then. In Georgia and Louisiana, if there is a runoff and it’s that close, then the political guys will push NOT to enter the RV until that is done. I don’t believe they can hold it off that long, because the international rate is showing on the screens, and the rest of the world can either force the US to release it, or get into a huge fuss. They can make the rollout so slow that we end up in January.
Tony: We never, ever thought they would drag it out this long! Day to day, they divided everybody, fell back on tiny points, etc. It makes sense for them to release this now, but now we don’t believe there are any legitimate reasons left!
DC: About the banks: the banks are disgusted by this stop-start, and they have lost os many good people through this mess and chaos. Many banks then said, “Call us when this done, and showing on our screens, when my mother can go to the banks and see it, then call me!” That was an actual conversation between the UST and a senior banker. We can all understand that position! Last week, the banks said they are doing it, and the reluctant banks agreed to call in their people prepped as well, but they were not putting people int eh exchange centers until it’s on their screens. So most of the banks didn’t get moving until Friday until it was on the screens and they started to exchange people.
They thought the US public side would begin this weekend or today, so now all the banks are going, “Wait a minute; you’re not saying what you said you would do!” They have reputational issues, they are still being slammed by the regulators, and they’ve had to pay billions for things they did do, but also things they were leaned on to do. So they don’t trust anyone saying, “Just trust us, it will work out.” They only want straightforward actions now; the US is putting them in an bind, and they are not happy about this.
Tony: Start at 8am yesterday morning…
DC: The US and international bankers were all told they would RV late Friday afternoon, when there is not a lot of news pressure. So they brought in some of their SKR guys. The public side was to start Sunday morning and go through nice and easy, no big deal. Lo and behold, Sunday morning didn’t occur because the US didn’t show up to do what they were supposed to do. All the banks and countries said, “WTF?” and the US said they couldn’t’ get people to the right spots.
They were running a little slow. Then on Sunday morning the US declared they wouldn’t move until after the election. The banks pitched a fit because they said the US promised it wouldn’t do that! There were a lot of phone calls and letters back and forth, and a lot of nasty personal meetings and phone calls took place to the administration. They are letting people continue to exchange, and then promised to call in the internet folks and then the public after the elections. They are playing hardball, and the US is saying they will do whatever they heck they want because the rest of the world does seem to have the balls to challenge them anyway.
Tony: Will we get phone calls after this, do you think? We are just waiting. We know people who have exchanged, we know the exchanges sites and we know people who have appointments this afternoon. People are being paid different rates, and there is at least a PLAN to do some publicly this week. Of course, there was a plan for this weekend. It can’t keep going. The banks are saying it’s live on their screens, and each bank has their own selection of who to get started with. Several tier one banks were exchanging this weekend. Some tier two banks have gone through their procedures and run a few people through. They wouldn’t have risked their bank income if they didn’t know this is happening very soon. Our own choice is to see how this election comes out, and if there is a runoff, and if this money would affect that either way in January.
DC: They are saying, “You’re saying a runoff in North Carolina or Louisiana, that is holding up this entire process, and the entire world?!” and apparently some raw political guys think so and they seem to be in charge. The rest of the world is beside themselves, saying “You cannot wait that long and no way in hell are we going to put up with this!”
Tony: We aren’t choosing one side or the other, just telling this is going on today and why.
DC: I strongly encourage everyone to call all your friends and family and get them out to vote. if you live in those areas, you have been bombarded already and this is definitely part of this problem now.
Tony: We thought no way they could drag it out and make this the issue, but they did. People with a lot more power than us can’t seem to do anything about this, so we can’t force the RV at all. Once it does happen, we have a lot more voice in the procedures, etc. It is ready to be done, it is being done, and there is no way we can force it. I know some idiots and fidiots who will try to turn it around into our trying to protect one political party over another, but I can tell you, BOTH parties have approached us to testify front of congress. I don’t want to get involved in that; I just want my money so I can get on with my life.
DC: Iraq is extremely ready on television, saying the economic reforms are ‘in process’ and all concerns will be addressed in the next few days. The coins have been distributed in some areas, and are at the banks. They are running through procedures and checks again. Parliament is meeting despite the holidays. It’s getting harder by the GOI to govern because they have been screwed over so many times by the US in the last few weeks. If this gets done in the next few days, that will be water under the bridge and they can still be effective. Iraqi contractors were paid today at $3.58.
Tony: Not everyone was paid, and some Iraqi citizens are upset that contractors have been paid at $5.38, and they have not, but they were told everyone would be paid.
DC: they are keyed up and highly irate at the US. My humble opinion is that the slow rollout will continue with the internet folks, which is us, and the other groups will paid in the next few days. The mom and pop dinarians will not be paid until after the election.
Tony: IF they do the groups at the rates they signed up for, that makes sense. If they do us at $3 and beyond, that makes sense. If they do the general public over next weekend when the rate has stabilized, that makes sense as well. I might not like it, but it does make sense.
DC: we are not taking sides. We are trying to call it as we see it. Obviously we want this done, not just for the internet dinarians but for everyone. We are not trying to simply say that we’re going to cause a stir, just saying that this is where it’s at and it’s ugly. Let’s hope they clean it up.
281 caller: Trying to have hope with this whole thing. If we are waiting for this until January, can we get the Ten Things back on the forum, please?
Tony: That is Pam’s deal – she does all that.
Caller: I do work with guys like Pam does, and it is NOT her fault!
Tony: The list is the Ten Things YOU want to do first. Secondly, this is scheduled to go right now! People are exchanging right now! They just don’t want people to be at the banks instead of voting, or pumping money into either side. If there IS a runoff in January – which is not a given – then they might argue that lots of money will influence that election.
Caller: Which party is messing this up for me?!
DC: Who is running the White House, the Senate, the House, and the Treasury? That is who is doing things (or not). Regardless of speeches, who is doing what, when and where? Who is running the show? That’s who we are waiting on…
Tony: Pam has already put the Ten Things back in the Tony Blast for you…
281 caller: It sounded like most of the US administration did want this done, and now a few people are saying, “We don’t want this to be released now, and you don’t have the balls to change us.”
DC: That’s about right. The good news is that ordinary people are being exchanged, an d without all of that funny business.
Caller: How do they decide who goes in early?!
Tony: That’s up to the banks, and they decide how to pick them.
Caller: So now we are all wondering is if deep South politics are going to dictate what happens in the rest of the world?!
DC: I can’t tell you how many calls I’ve had saying, “Are you frickin’ kidding me?!” It’s mainly the deep South, but also New Hampshire, Colorado and a few other states.
Caller: So we want to root for a clear election and no runoffs, right? When we watch the election results, we just want someone to WIN, is that the case?
DC: That’s up for debate. Louisiana will almost certainly have a runoff, and possibly Georgia. If the Republicans win the Senate, expect a slower rollout; if the Democrats retain control, they will probably speed it up. The key states are New Hampshire (if Scott Brown wins, the Dems will probably give up), North Carolina (T Hagan is slightly ahead, but it could go either way)…. NH is important because if Brown wins, the Republicans will probably win in the Senate as well. Georgia is a sway, Arkansas has already gone to the Republicans, and Kansas is too close to call. Colorado is important, too. What we really want is clear decisions, not to have it up in the air on who controls the Senate. So get out there and VOTE.
404 caller: [YET AGAIN – stop getting on the call!] I’m in one of those states, watching what is going on. We are finally learned to use ‘exchange’ rather than ‘cashing out’.
DC: Say EXCHANGE all the way – this is really important. If you say anything other than exchange, it will cost you a lot of money.
Caller: Now they are saying ‘conversion’ is the terminology, and a lot of folks could be tripped up.
Tony: People who we know in the banking system have been told “IF they said exchange, do this; is they say cash out, do this other thing”, and it’s not beneficial.
Caller: I thought you said you have seen a 5/3 bank package. Have you seen a bank package? Can you share what’s in that?
DC: I’ve seen several; what is your question?
Caller: What should we be asking or sensitive to?
DC: It’s designed to be straightforward, simple, not to cause problem. You don’t want one cow to stop everyone behind them in the chute. The NDA was simple and straight-forward, four pages of “be quiet or there will be consequences.” IF you can’t stay quite, take the international rate. You will go in, it will be counted by a banker with a security person to witness is. If there is a Delarue machine, they will verify your money and you’ll get credit in your account right away. If they send it off overnight, you will get credit the next day. NO, there is not a pin number for the 800 numbers; just call them.
Caller: We have been in a slow rollout for a year now!512 caller: [“Enough is enough…”] Somebody has to be held responsible.
Tony: We don’t have a dictator here. There is a committee of powerful people who have to follow the lead or otherwise. We could go back to Twitter, and anyone could take that on. I have read many, many letters from Congress people denying anything is happening, with only three admitting there is something going on. They could have stood up together, but didn’t have the willingness or courage to do that, and they have more power than we do. My name is all around DC because of the last campaign.
If we do it now, when it’s not affecting us, why would they listen to us when the heads of banks and countries and politicians are clearly not able to make them do. We can do that if it’s about making a difference to US, like when they were doing us wrong. We cannot do it for the world if the world is not able to force that change all standing up together. I live in the real world; I know what I can and cannot do and who I can affect and who is going to be there to support us. During the Twitter campaign, we stood up and said “that’s wrong” and everyone stood up with us.
Caller: [more of the same]
Tony: We can talk about it, but there is no sense my starting another Twitter campaign because everyone is waiting for tomorrow, to see what happens tomorrow. They got it this far, and after the election, the world changes and if it doesn’t happen then, more people will challenge it then.
Tony: Lately, government even knows who Pam is. You have no idea the level this has reached. It amazes me how high this has gone, and they are asking us to do things. They are putting the focus on us again. Our position is helping you guys get through this, to make this a smooth as possible and give you the best guidance we can so you don’t fit into that 90% they say will be broke in two years.
Our goal is to get you through this process. I know the people who are holding this up, and without others, it wouldn’t have even gotten this far. We know we are doing the right thing for the right reasons, even though our own families are being affected. We just want to let you know where we are. This is about to be over, with all the people who were exchanged this weekend and their rates, and those scheduled to be exchange today and tomorrow. That tells me they have a plan for Wednesday.
719 caller: I cannot tell you how disappointed we all are, but thank you for being so honest with us, that really helps us on this ride. Do you think that they’re going to try to keep delaying this? I’m incredulous they are doing this to Iraq. They have a good guy there, they want Iraq’s resources, what are they doing to us?!
Tony: If we look at the bigger picture (and DC says I give them too much credit), they are protecting the money and the country, and we get to go back there as saviors as they evolve into the great country Iraq is and will be. Sometimes you have to go through chaos to get to that better place, and that is part of what Iraq is going through now. After the election and the RV is announced, things will change so fast it’ll make your head spin.
DC: Because we didn’t get the Strategic Enforcement Agreement, because Biden and Maliki couldn’t agree, we can’t just go back in to Iraq. Some people wanted to drop Iraq like a hot potato, and now we see we should have paid more attention. The SEA would keep people there for a period of time for stability and such. Now they are redoing that and re-signing it. Do I think they wanted to be invited back in? I think that was invented by a very good politician who said, Yes, that ‘s why we cancelled that SEA. Two reasonable people can have a disagreement. We’ll let history decide that.
Iraq was not a priority or this administration, it was Bush’s deal, and the President wanted to just wrap it up. Then ISIL happened, and also some of the younger people in the administration didn’t’ like the RV and by the time they got on board, it was a mess. Presidents Obama and Bush both deserve some credit because both had an impact on getting it done.
Tony: I think they made a whole lot of mistakes, and if Bush were still there it would have happened a long time ago. This administration wanted to put their own stamp on it, and if it drags out another two years, it will look different again. There are exchanges going on, but not at the level of last winter. I don’t those few people were enough to affect the election one way or another. Their NDAs prohibit their moving money into campaigns.
Caller: Is it available in other countries?
DC: The RV is public in other countries, and if you have a contact in, say, DeutscheBank, then you could exchange there. BUT it’s the same kind of deal as here – not actually available to the public yet. My understanding is that it’s available on the back screens.
Caller; So the US is holding this up for the entire world? You should be ashamed, you selfish SOBs!
So now we are an internet group rather than an informational group? Does that include us?
DC: We are 90% of the internet group.
Caller: So if we exchange and tell all our contacts, what stops them from exchanging?
DC: Let’s say Tony tweets out to 250,000 folks, or does a phone call. If there are 30K on the call, within 24 hours, 300,000 people will know. That eases everyone into the process and you’re able to control it.
Tony: So we get the call, and the 800 number. They have already asked me to shut down the site, the chat room and the other sites, so they only have communication through the five of us dinar gurus on a call. They are confused and paralyzed because they don’t know what to do! They won’t move until the 800 numbers go out. We have 40K on the call, and by the evening, 90,000 have listened to the call. So, get your own appointment BEFORE giving out the number to our contacts, and that will slow it down further. Then you will have to see what is on your NDA, and what you can talk about. So they will call the bank, get sent somewhere else, and that slows it down more.
Caller: They had better hope most of us get the contract rate, because the international or street rate, there is no NDA and nothing to stop us talking! You know about network marketing: “tell a woman, tell the world!” Also, every time someone asks me for a political donation, I tweet the President, VP and the one asking, and say that if they had released the RV, I would have donated. So they should have released the RV, the sorry SOBs! Most here have already voted. Do you think we will get the RV this week? And what is the posted rate?
DC: People are exchanging at $3.58 on the screens.
Caller: This is the most inexcusable treatment of people in this country, and if this doesn’t come throught this week, someone will start up the twitter campaign without you, Tony, so that you don’t get into trouble.
DC: I agree. The administration holding this up for a month, that I can understand, but I don’t believe they are morons, and I have seen some horrible, stupid, lowdown dirty political tricks that are morally reprehensible. I don’t understand why they delayed this, and even more, I don’t understand why they didn’t just say “We will not do this until X date” instead of bleating “we don’t make this political”. They have lied to everyone’s face, all the world leaders and of course Iraq. I am fiercely independent, and I don’t get it.
Caller: Would it do us any good to tweet Christine Lagarde?
Tony: There’s not point tweeting anyone because they are waiting for tomorrow. We have no way to force anyone to do anything – it’s up to Iraq, the CBI, the IMF and BIS to do that. With what they were doing over the weekend, we are still involved in every portions of that. We don’t affect when it goes, and because of that, we have to let the government, China, Japan, Iraq and the BIS stand up and be the leaders of this.
Caller: Exogen said on Sunday that they were looking for eveyr possible way to cut us out.
DC: They were going to do so, and that’s why we did the Twitter campaign. Saner minds got everyone calmed down and said, “Wait, this is not right, you can’t do that”. They got a of people on our side. They need to treat us the same way they were treated themselves. Everyone realized the error of their ways because it was illegal, immoral and would very much lead to social unrest if we got screwed when they got paid. So saner minds explained all this to higher persons who didn’t understand those dirty plans. Now we believe everyone will be treated fairly, and also the banks are not willing to get involved in something sticky like this. This call helps as well, because we are talking to Senators, Reps, bank presidents, financiers, the administration, etc. We are pointing out what a mess this is turning into if they don’t release the RV right now and fast!
Tony: I’m not defending either side.
Callers: You may not have said it, but we’re not stupid. If they get this done and everyone gets paid, we’ll forgive and forget. But if they keep jacking us around, we will be very angry. If you want to calm us down, release it Wednesday morning at the absolute latest and then we can calm down and get on with our lives. This thing is so past ridiculous… Also, I have some email responses from my Senators…
Tony: The best thing is to print them out and send them to us. I will put personal letters in one section and political responses in another section. Hard copies are easiest for us to deal with. I will give the originals to the eventual museum or study center.
407 caller; I think we need to send a message with our votes, in the midterms and in 2016. This is bigger than people think. We have a dinar club in our area, and it’s very big in the Latin community. I think everyone should send a message with their vote, and then this will be over quickly.
Tony: I think everyone should vote in any case. I’m sure dinarians will affect a lot of elections in the future. Today, we wanted to tell you what is happening, so that you can make decisions. It should have happened over the weekend, and now we think it don’t happen for the general public until Wednesday or Thursday. My personal beliefs have changed throughout this situation. People I have not liked for years, now I actually like!
Caller: [Rant about Soros and the Democratic party]
DC: How much sway does Soros really have in this? Almost none. He doesn’t have a lot of power inside the administration. There is a lot of personal animosity between him and the administration. He does still donate to the party because he’s a yellow dog Democrat, but that’s all.
Tony: It’s important that you send in letters on Congressional letterheads and signed, if at all possible. I cannot believe how many Senators and Reps claim they didn’t know about this, or this is a scam. When the historical record is compiled, we’ll find out. I can’t believe they put themselves in this position!
407 caller: I thoguth the President of the US was the boss and could say “get this done!”
tony: You’re asking me to get in a whole lot of trouble there. I’ve already been there, and so has DC.
DC: The President is head of one of the three equal parts of the government. Several times, he has said, “Stop bickering and get this done!” He has a lot going on and he wasn’t all that interested in the RV. The President is way too busy and pulled in a dozen different direction. He is brilliant, but not very hands-on. He wants to understand a situation and tell someone to get it done. So when he has said, “Get it done!” a lot of his guys have said that the situation has changed, so although the President said to do it, we need to explain this and that, or the people he entrusted to get it done had their own agendas.
He’s also had other retired leaders come in to help, but the blockers played all their tactical battle and delayed it to this point. Even they were surprised that they could drag it out this long. One of the most senior people in the government dragged this out longer than he ever imagined possible, through sheer dirty politics and BS as well as actual positive reasons. Remember, we only understand part of this, and we cannot believe this is the entire answer.
Tony: I want to give one other example. For years, I used to tell everyone that George Bush and **** Cheney were the worst gangsters in the world. They would be in your face and dare you to challenge them. These guys were ruthless! Then one day G Bush came on Oprah, talked about his administration, and I realized that he didn’t know some things that were going on while he was living his life. So I changed my view and saw that he just didn’t have the right people around him.
There are things we just don’t see or know, things that happened in DC that we have no clue about—there is a lot more going on than what the eye can see. I’m not defending the administration, but we know some stuff you don’t know. The President is consulting, and although we can see this needs to change, we cannot micromanage everything that is going on in the country or the world either. He’s not blameless, but others are also causing problems by their decisions.
We are not going to start naming names in the administration. I may be an idiot but we’re not complete idiots.
Caller: If it goes to January, there is not that long till the next elections…
Tony: I really don’t think it will. I’ve talked about what we can do to effect change after the RV; we could all get on a call and agree what to do. They didn’t like me saying that, and I don’t mind because I don’t want 20 people to influence 30,000 new millionaires. But YOU can affect others through your money, foundations and trusts. I can’t even donate to politics OR be involved in politics according to my NDA!
DC: A lot of folks got exchanged this weekend. A lot of skeptical banks and countries have accepted this is going on, and they don’t want to put themselves in a precarious situation. The question is WHEN it will be released. We understand there will be a slow rollout for crowd control, starting with the internet group. I accidentally went onto chat on Saturday night, and you think I talk fast? Man, there was a barrage of ultra-fast questions, which my wife thought was hilarious. Thanks for all your touching comments on my bio on the forum, too.
Pam: Remember that DC gave us a lot of information on the last call about who he is and how he got here. Zebragirl transcribed it, and if you go towww.tntdinar.com, and click on Forum, it will take you to the Ten Things and also DC’s information – you don’t have to be a member or sign in. Remember, you know what to do; just stick to your plan.
Tony: We’re in a good spot, everything is ready. We summed up what happened over the weekend, the big picture and how it’s involving. We talked about how our government works and who is responsible for what. We are responsible for what affects us, and lots are making sure we are treated fairly. They are living up to that plan, so we are here to help the process. Our President is not a dictator; every President has a committee or group to help them make the right decisions and they are not always the right decisions.
I now think President Bush was the last of the forceful Presidents, and it gives you a different perspective, while during his actual presidency we did not see eye-to-eye, but with hindsight I have a better picture of what went on. This might happen with this RV as well. For today, we are just giving the information we have. We’re at a really good position and this will be over Wednesday, Thursday or Friday. The election is the main excuse we were given. Iraq says “reform is occurring” so that is no two months down the road. This is a superfantastic week; we are here, we will do our part during the activation and be as unbiased as we can. Enjoy the rest of your day.
03 – Monday Night Dinarland Chatter. 11/3/2014.
R.V. / GCR November 3, 2014 at 7:14pm just was told they will not let this go before the elections they do not want the old sheriffs to have access to any of the brownie points on receivership of this blessing ….this also may only get the PRIVATES STARTED IF AT ALL BY FRIDAY OR SATURDAY… I AM VERY ANGERED OVER THIS STALL MORE.SO THAN THE OTHER STALLS BECAUSE i FELT SO TOTALLY DONE FINALLY AND THEN LOOK TOUCH MY TOES AGAIN NO SPIT…..UHG!
Ranger4564 > R.V. / GCR Ouch, those toe touches can be quite painful without spit. ;-)But this close to Elections, it’s not at all surprising that both sides want to claim victory and the prize… so we have to pray the Chinese do something drastic to force this issue. I wonder if I can exchange / convert currencies at the Bank of China in NYC.
J H > R.V. / GCR Who moved my cheese?
Donna S. > Well, if we are to believe Zap, who is suppose to have the very best connections, it will go when Grandfather wants it to go.
I think it has RVed in other countries and as a favor to the banks in the US, they are rolling out real slow, taking care of the tiers and the whales and those who have connections.
I think all of this talk about the Dems and Rep stalling it, is smoke. And IF the Republic is in charge, it will happen when THEY want it to, imo.
Kentara > Darned astute Donna!! So you think when?..
Donna S. > Kentara, (smile) I have no idea. According to Zap it should be soon…what did he say…this week? I’m hoping for that, anyway.
D.K.C. November 3, 2014 at 9:05pm My friend who first told me about the dinar many years ago just texted me that she predicts the RV will happen on 11/11 at 11:11 AM or PM……cos Chinese like numerology…….It’s as good as theory as any!!
[lonnie] Two years ago I went to BOA to open an acct and I asked the manager about dinar, she told me they were not dealing with dinar and started telling me about scams.
Well today after 2 years I went back. I saw the same manager. She told me that she had seen me before but couldn’t remember the details.
I asked her if BOA would be exchanging any foreign currencies in the future. She said yes, and asked me if I had any dinar. I said yes I did. She asked if I had any other currencies, I told that I had dong and zim, she said yes on dong but wasn’t sure on zim.
She said as soon as the value changed, they would be exchanging those currencies. This was the same woman who 2 years ago told me the dinar was a scam, and she asked me if I had dinar, I didn’t ask her.
RE: KTFA CC Tonight
Tbirdd; NORM——franks in white!
764764: tbirdd what does the white mean again?
Tbirdd: white hot news (?).
Monday Night CC.
The first part is Business Promo Night and the second part is Dinar/Iraq Intel
PLAYBACK # : 760.569.7699 PIN: 156996#
(We will add the call link as soon as its available)
04 – Bits and Pieces Early Monday Evening. 11/3/2014.
22coconuts22 : Looking forward to the cc as are many others I am sure. I know we are close.
Frank26: As close as my breath in my TINKS lungs. I will talk tonight…. You will like it !
NOVA will teach You ANOTHER TWO POWERFUL WEALTH MANAGEMENT KEY CONCEPTS …….. You will Love it !!
ITEAM Report at the end ……. You will realize it is one sentence !!!
I implore You to realize ………. Dinar CCs are coming to extinction at KTFA.
Our sharing of knowledge is also coming to an end………
landons nana] Via Twitter: @JCR3758: There has been no official Intl RI/RV. The rates r loaded & the rollout is active as I told you. The public rollout is nxt
[BigDog-OH] Gold Bulls Retreat With $1.3 Billion Pulled From Fundshttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-02/gold-bulls-retreat-with-1-3-billion-pulled-from-funds.html
[BigDog-OH] US oil ends below $79 after brief spike amid supply fearshttp://www.cnbc.com/id/102144344?trknav=homestack%3Atopnews%3A4
[BigDog-OH] Gold Posts Longest Slump in Seven Weeks on Dollar Rallyhttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-03/gold-extends-drop-with-silver-toward-lowest-since-2010-on-dollar.html
[BigDog-OH] Zim must play ball…11/3/2014http://www.theindependent.co.zw/2014/11/03/zim-must-play-ball/
[daz] THERE WERE ALWAYS GOING TO BE PEOPLE IN FRONT OF US AND EXCHANGING BEFORE US. NONE OF US WOULD HAVE EVER BEEN FRONT IN LINE…ROLL WITH IT…ITS HAPPENING
WE COULD BE HERE IN 2025 BUT ITS UNLIKELY
A PEACEFUL MIND AND RESTED BODY WILL HELP YOU PROCESS THE INFORMATION, MAKE DECISIONS AND, EXECUTE THEM WITH EASE DURING THE EXCHANGE PROCESS;
WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE THE HIGH ROAD HERE AND BE A SHINING EXAMPLE TO FOLLOW…POKIN THE BEAR SERVES NO ONE. YOU HAVE TO KNOW BY NOW THAT YOU AND THIS MEMBERSHIP DO NOT EXIST IN A VACUUM…USE YOUR NOODLE.
Osso November 3, 2014 at 5:54pm JC @JCR3758 Today’s meeting was a success and all is still a good. I can only say to not listen to any hype or misinformation
JC @JCR3758 Stop focusing on the rate & date. Focus on what u have to do & how to protect your blessing. This week should be awesome.
BREAKING NEWS: The disappearance of two billion seven hundred million dollars in the reign of al-Maliki
Posted by EXOGEN on November 3, 2014 at 4:40pm
A source in the Finance Committee parliamentary, it actually began to investigate the disappearance of two billion seven hundred million dollars from the funds of the Iraqi budget for 2014 was not constrained by the Ministry of Finance official Bossullac.
The source said that “the Finance Committee decided to proceed with the disclosure of the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of two billion seven hundred million dollars at the time of the government of former Prime Minister, Nouri al-Maliki, has not been shown where to gowith the Ministry of Finance did not respond formally on this matter,” referring to ” raise the request to open an investigation to the Presidency of the Parliament after the current end of the holiday. ”
The source added that “the Finance Committee the accountability of the Minister of Finance and the agency in the previous government, purity of net debt, for the disappearance of the money, but Disclaimer for the answer and after pressing the request of Parliament accountable former prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki, as the assumption by the ministry bag and the money does not exist “.
He concluded that the source of the “net assured them that the money disappeared during the void period experienced by the ministry after the withdrawal of the Minister of Planning Ali Shukri, a proxy of the departments and delivered him commissioned by the agency also by al-Maliki.
05 – Tidbits From Exogen and Stage3Alpha Members Monday Afternoon
More Guesses to NEW Picture Clues/Intel by Exogen:
Vinman November 3, 2014 at 11:35am
Parallel with everything else, sales of dinar, dong and Rupiah on the increase and going viral…right now!
Major banks have very angry frontline and back office employees. Everyone is now finding out what is going on and are angry they’ve been lied to.
The word is spreading fast. Boy something is going to hit the fan soon…..100% confirmed!
In 24 hrs bank employees will be hammering Human Resources with complaints and tying phone lines.
Oops….the cat is out of the bag now!
Major banks self-destruction now in process
Aloha Leslie > Vinman In 24 hours, we are done…I hope! LOL
Don A. November 3, 2014 at 12:34pm From Zap:
THE RV IS TO BE ANNOUNCED OFFICIALLY (STANDS THE BEST CHANCE OF THAT HAPPENING FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN).
THE CABAL MINIONS ARE SCRAMBLING AS THEIR BOSSES ARE ABOUT TO GET ARRESTED I WAS TOLD IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS.
THE CORPORATION OF THE UNITED STATES IS APPARENTLY A LOST CAUSE NOW, AS MANDATES AND CORPORATE STATUS ARE HISTORY. THE USA IS NO LONGER ON THE S&P INDEX.
T.O.T If you believe ZAP there are 160+ BRIC nations pushing this forward. Millionday stating Iraq is moving forward. He should keep our eyes on the big picture. Exo stated that many times.
Don A. DC from call:
DC/THEY AGREED TO THE RV ON FRIDAY…AND WILL WORK ON INTERNET GROUP AND THEN MOM AND POP GENERAL PUBLIC…THEY ARE TRYING TO DECIDE DO WE DO INTERNET FOLKS NOW JUST TO SHUT THEM UP?
THEY ARE TRYING TO DECIDE IF THEY WANT TONY AND OTHER SITE TO JUST POST NUMBER AND GET IT OVER WITH OR WAIT…..CAN THEY START THE PROCESS NOW AND QUIET US DOWN? ARE POLITICS INVOLVED IN THIS DECISION? ABSOLUTELY!!!
WHAT THEY’RE TRYING TO DO IS INTERNET PPL NOW…WHAT THEY ALWAYS WANTED TO DO ON THE SLOW ROLLOUT CAMPAIGN IS TO HAVE A 3-4 DFAY INTERNET AND KIND OF CONTROL THE CROWD,
HAVE TONY TWEET OUT, HAVE A FEW OTHER GURUS TWEET OUT AND POST ON THEIR SITES OKAY HERE ARE THE 800 #S ETC. TO GET THE INITIAL SURGE OUT OF THE WAY.
Carden ANOTHER GOOD POINT: The RATES FOR CRUDE AND BRENT OIL are PLUMMETING. The rates are in a FREEFALL. What does this do for any contracts that have been paid out?
These oil and gas purchase orders are ALWAYS written to be paid at MARKET RATE. What happens if you collect an advance against a contract that doesn’t pay out what is expected? CLAWBACK happens. What happened here? Leaves one to wonder.
If we have “CLAWBACK” GOING ON NOW, then we have a lot of really unhappy (influential) people within the system, that will want to make BIG WAVES to put their act back on track.
They will reach out to TNT/DC to right this ship and put their lives back on course by exposing something – reasons for delay (yes)/ names (no)/ rates (not without caveats) /dates (shoulda-been-coulda-been)/proposed process (probably)?.
THAT IS 2 VERY UNHAPPY GROUPS – THE BANKERS WHO HAVE BEEN LIED TO AND THE PTB WHO HAVE FROZEN ACCOUNTS!
INTEL SNACK 11:59 AM EST Posted by EXOGEN on November 3, 2014 at 12:00pm
THE AMOUNT OF CURRENCY HOLDERS IN THE USA WILL POSSIBLY DOUBLE OR TRIPLE BY FRIDAY AS IT IS NOW GOING VIRAL WITH BANK EMPLOYEES NATIONWIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!…
INTEL SNACK PART II Posted by EXOGEN on November 3, 2014 at 12:53pm
PEOPLE IN BANK IT DEPARTMENTS NATIONWIDE WHO SENT INTRA OFFICE BANK MEMORANDUMS TO EMPLOYEES THAT THE IQD WAS A SCAM ARE NOW UPSET, AND NOW FEEL LIKE THEY LIED TO THEIR FRIENDS AND EMPLOYEES WHO WORK AT THE BANK, NOW THAT THEY KNOW THE IQD IS NOT A SCAM!!!!!
THEY ARE EVEN MORE UPSET WITH UPPER BANK MANAGEMENT FOR MAKING THEM SEND OUT FALSE INFORMATION TO BANK EMPLOYEES AND THEIR FRIENDS, VIA INTRA OFFICE BANK MEMORANDUMS THAT THE IQD WAS A SCAM.
G T Near the End they said the STORIES WILL GET CRAZY…..SO IS THIS ONE OF THE CRAZY STORIES???
EXOGEN > G T NO THIS IS FROM ONE OF OUR INTEL PEOPLE WHO BUILT THE WELLS FARGO BANK INFRASTRUCTURE WHEN IT TRANSITIONED FROM MIDAS TO MIDAS PLUS, VIA LONDON AND THE MIDAS GROUP
Ml > EXOGEN What impact will this have Exogen?
EXOGEN > Ml NOT OUR ISSUE………BANK HUMAN RESOURCES ISSUE.
06 – Stage3Alpha:
MONDAY MORNING QUESTION….(FEEDBACK APPRECIATED) Posted by EXOGEN on November 3, 2014 at 10:48am
WHO DO YOU THINK WILL MAKE THESE ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM THE UNITED STATES?
A. COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD NO LONGER WANT FIAT USD
B. ASSET BACKED CURRENCIES ARE NOW MANDATORY
C. THE UNITED STATES DOLLAR IS NO LONGER THE PRIMARY RESERVE CURRENCY OF THE PLANET
D. THE UNITED STATES WILL BE SHIFTING TO AN ASSET BACKED CURRENCY
E. COUNTRIES CAN NOW TRADE AND PURCHASE OIL OUTSIDE OF THE PETRODOLLAR
F. THERE IS A NEW BANKING SYSTEM COMING ONLINE WITH FULL TRANSPARENCY
G. GLOBAL BANKS ARE UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR RIGGING GLOBAL CURRENCY MARKETS AND HAVE BEEN CHARGED, AND FACE FINES, AND PENALTIES IN THE BILLIONS IF NOT TRILLIONS
H. THERE HAS BEEN A GLOBAL STING OPERATION TAKING PLACE TO FIX THE BROKEN BANKING AND FINANCIAL SYSTEM THAN HAS BEEN STEALING TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS VIA CURRENCY RIGGING, FOREX MANIPULATION, AND DOING ILLEGAL CONSUMER LOANS GLOBALLY
I. METALS MARKETS HAVE BEEN MANIPULATED
J. EMERGING MARKET CURRENCIES ARE ON THE MOVE BACKED BY ASSETS
K. THERE IS A GLOBAL SYSTEM RESET IN PROCESS TO FIX THE PROBLEMS
L. THE UNITED STATES DOLLAR MUST BECOME AN ASSET BACKED CURRENCY
M. THE FEDERAL BANKING SYSTEM IS IN TRANSITION
N. USN/TRN’S REALLY EXIST
O. THE SDR STRUCTURE HAS NOW CHANGED
P. FRIENDS AND FAMILY PRIVATE EXCHANGES HAVE BEEN TAKING PLACE FOR CLOSE TO 1 YEAR NOW, WITH USA AND GLOBAL BANKS FOR SELECT INDIVIDUALS ONLY.
Roy G. Biv Honestly, NOBODY will. It may be some type of blip in a random but obscure financial report on late-night CNN or something — 99.999% percent of anyone watching won’t have a clue to what’s being reported.
G T NOT A SOUL!!! And NONE OF THIS WILL BE MENTIONED IMO.
Vinman : Well it should be Obama since that is probably part of his mission. However, it will probably be someone else like Holder and Jack Lew.
Smokin Jo It’s a matter of when the “announcements” will be made.
Will they hold it off until after the elections to avoid giving candidates an potential advantage?
Will they announce it during the fog of elections to attempt to hide the change?
Visionaire No one. Info will be on non mainstream media sites. Bits and pieces will be mentioned in high level speeches and the majority of info will go unnoticed by the sheeple
IKO WARD: Here’s a new one, and we like new. Forèx just erased the 8AM polling and reposted the 2AM numbers, as in oops, we made a booboo. Before you ask what it means I will quote Gandhi. “Relax! Nothing is under control.”
Rrrr: A tree in autumn splendor… the smell of spring after a shower, an ocean breeze on a hot summer day, a bird in perfect song, a bright full moon rising, sunrise, sunset, puppies and kittens and butterfly trails, sounds of the ocean, the first snow of winter, rainbows, babies laughing, clear mountain views, Just pause and reflect how even the thought of these miracles makes you feel and will continue long after the RV has come and gone… Nice eh?
[BigDog-OH] Via Twitter: @JCR3758: We are still good. Stop freaking out. I’ll give updates shortly. Meeting going on right now.
[BigDog-OH] 11-3-2014 tman23 Iraq Military paid…Iraq pensions paid…GOI offices paid…Education paid…All funds will be loaded before sundown 11/3 and can be collected at any port…No change in salaries…No retroactive pay etc.!
[BigDog-OH] Zebari: The Ministry of Finance is considering finding Iraq’s financial resources other than oil…11/3/2014
gfulcher66 » November 3rd, 2014, IMO We are watching the process bring forth the IR, WS article’s about NASDAQ were interesting/telling yesterday. B/c these steps are so telling it is hard to stay grounded in excitement, and since this can take a few days/weeks to play out remembering to pace my excitement is hard right now bc of all the great news in these last steps.
The match has been lit the kindling is ready.
07 – Millionday shares something huge.
Millionday THIS IS HUGE – WE HAD A REPORT THAT STATED TWO DAYS AGO THE LEGISLATION NEEDED TO BE IMPLEMENTED AND IT SAYS IN THIS REPORT THAT THE LEGISLATION HAS BEEN ISSUED AND THE BANKS ARE WORKING ON THE MONETARY POLICY AND FINANCIAL REFORM FOR THE COUNTRY.
THIS IS WHAT WE ARE WAITING ON BECAUSE THE MONETARY POLICY WILL INCLUDE THE REALITY RATES FOR THE COUNTRY FOR INTERNATIONAL INVESTMENT.
08 – Millionday discusses the ISX.
Millionday THE HUGE NEWS OF COURSE IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE ISX…TOMORROW [MONDAY] WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE MARKET AND IF THEY OPEN — NASDAQ Was CLOSED ON FRIDAY AND WE HAVE OF COURSE NOT SEEN THEM OPEN OVER THE WEEKEND – WITH THE MAJOR REPORTS WE HAVE ON THE X-STREAM LAUNCH.
09 – Frank discusses the algorithm.
Frank26 [I’m still totally confused. If it is a algorithm that is entered for a currency rate change, why does it take the IQD rate now days to change while other currencies change regular throughout the day in seconds?] …the algorithm of the IQD’s MR [Monitary Reform] is in motion (a function) as the CBI prepares the Governor’s Position to be LEGALLY filled ( a function) by the NEW GOI/PARL to use this new rate data.
This IS where the GOI and CBI marry on the MR. REGULAR currency functions that You state are not RECIEVING LAYERS of MR DATA at the moment allowing their movements to flow normally…Quickly.
10 – DC says very soon.
DC [via wantingfreedom] COINS OUT IN SOME AREAS NOT ALL AREAS. EVERYONE IN EVERY SECTOR IS QUEUED UP ACROSS THE WORLD…EXPECTATIONS ARE VERY HIGH. DO NOT GET HUNG UP ON EXACT TIMES…ALL PARTIES BELIEVE WE HAVE CROSSED A MAJOR LINE WE HAVE NEVER CROSSED BEFORE.
THE MAJOR LINE IS THAT COUNTRIES AND BANKS DID NOT BELIEVE THEY WOULD EVER “GET IT TOGETHER ENOUGH” NOW ARE FULLY ON BOARD. NOT GONNA SAY IF TOMORROW [SUNDAY] OR MONDAY, JUST VERY SOON. I THINK IT LOOKS REALLY CLOSE.
11 – Millionday says the system has been launched. (02.11.14).
Millionday THE SYSTEM HAS BEEN LAUNCHED WITHIN THE COUNTRY BUT WILL NOT GO GLOBAL WITHOUT THE REALITY RATES FOR THE GLOBAL CURRENCIES…THIS IS ABSOLUTELY HUGE…UNDERSTAND THAT THE PLACES THAT HOLD THE RATES FOR CURRENCIES WILL ALL AT ONCE SHOW THE RATES FOR THE DINAR WHEN THEY GO GLOBAL AND ALSO KNOW THAT THE LARGEST PRODUCT A COUNTRY HAS IN A MARKET ECONOMY IS THEIR CURRENCY AND THEY WANT TO SELL IT.
ONE OF THE PLACES IT WILL SHOW IS THE COUNTRY`S BANK (CBI) ANOTHER IS THE STOCK MARKET AND IRAQ HAS THEIR OWN AS WELL (ISX) — IT WILL ALSO SHOW IN FOREX–LONDON – AND ANY EXCHANGE SERVICE ETC.